What is amazing about the following story is the reaction of key Canadian religious figures to it. First, we begin with the background and a brief synopsis of reaction in the US and Britain, then we’ll move to reactions of Canadian religious figures, and close with the reactions to similar ads run in Washington D.C. and Italy:

RTFA: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM…

The atheist slogan, “There is probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life,” may soon be coming to subways and buses in Canada’s largest city.

The Toronto-based Freethought Association of Canada, inspired by a campaign that has plastered British buses with the phrase, has contacted the private firm that handles ads on the Toronto Transit Commission to see if the message would violate any rules. Organizers plan to launch a fundraising page on the website atheistbus.ca in the next few days.

The British campaign, which has inspired similar moves in Washington, Barcelona and Madrid, has sparked complaints to the country’s advertising authority and a backlash from the evangelical group Christian Voice, which has proclaimed that Britain is in “deep sin.”

Now for how Canadian religious groups are taking it:

Neil MacCarthy, a spokesman for the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Toronto, said it was difficult to comment on ads that he hasn’t seen.

“The reality is that organized religion is often an easy target,” he said. “… At the same time, this type of campaign would likely generate discussion and dialogue around faith. And that can be a healthy thing, as long as it is done respectfully.”

The moderator of the United Church of Canada, Right Rev. David Giuliano, said he would rather see atheists say what they believe in, rather than what they are against.

But, pointing out that his church also uses advertising, he said he has some sympathy with the impetus behind the ads.

Mohamed Elmasry, founder of the Canadian Islamic Congress, said he had no problem with the ads: “They have a system of belief like anybody else, and they are entitled to live with this system and also propagate it among others.”

TTC vice-chairman Joe Mihevc, a former Christian theologian who has long sat on the ad-review committee, said he would welcome the atheist ads: “What better place to have one of the key theological, philosophical debates of our time but on public transit?”

Not a single religious group quoted said the Atheists were all damned to Hell and/or shouldn’t be allowed to post the ads. That’s a freakin’ enlightened society! I almost couldn’t believe these quotes when I read them. For me, anyway, this story is almost more interesting for the reactions of Canadian religious authorities than the ad campaign itself.

For a little comparison, here’s an article discussing the way people in the US reacted to a similar campaign being launched in Washington DC:

RTFA: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica…


[The American Humanist Association] launched our Washington DC advertising campaign on November 11 with the slogan “Why believe in a god? Just be good for goodness’ sake.” The venue was the sides, rears and insides of 230 of the city’s buses. News coverage of the campaign generated an outpouring of phone calls and e-mails, mostly negative. The largest number came directly to us but hundreds of complaints also came to Metro, the government entity that handles the city’s buses and subways. One of the complainers expressed a wish (or perhaps a prayer): “May all your atheist buses break down!”

The sudden high volume of visitors to our special campaign website www.whybelieveinagod.org crashed our server twice. Soon, the conservative talkshow hosts were clamouring to give us air time so they could argue against us and further rouse their audience. And conservative Christian organisations not only denounced our efforts but encouraged their flocks to come bleat in our ears. All this before our bus ads actually started to appear one week later.

UPDATE: Similar ads banned in Genoa, Italy for violating advertising ethics code

RTFA: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM…

Italian atheists have lost a bid to run “no God” advertisements on city buses after strong opposition from conservative political parties, a member of the group said on Saturday.

The ads reading “The bad news is that God doesn’t exist. The good news is that you don’t need him” were to have been put on buses in the northern city of Genoa, home to the Catholic cardinal who is head of the Italian Bishops Conference.

The mock-up was ready and the contract was sent to the group for signing but the publicity agency changed its mind and said the ad could not run it because it violated an ethics in advertising code, according to Giorgio Villella of The Italian Union of Atheists and Rationalist Agnostics (UAAR).

“Right-wing politicians criticized us ferociously,” Mr. Villella said by telephone from the group’s base, adding that at least one bus driver in Genoa said he would refuse to drive a “no God” bus.

“It’s strange that in a country where ads depicting near-naked women wearing skimpy lingerie is permitted on buses that we can’t run ads about atheism,” Mr. Villella said.

  • neutrality
    i think it should be banned because in a way it attacks people who do believe in god but by banning it attacks athiests i think the soloution is to ban advertiesment of religons, a person beliefs are theyre own, it should remain that way.
  • farkinga
    If you want to talk about an attack, the original Christian London
    bus ads linked to a site (
    http://jesussaid.org/gods-wrath-against-
    sin.php) which made a number of statements like:

    God’s wrath includes the prospect of eternal punishment –
    it is appointed to men to die once and then comes the judgment
    (Hebrews 9:27). You will rise from the dead and will face the Judge
    and know that you rejected His kind and merciful answer. You will be
    condemned to everlasting separation from God and then you spend all
    eternity in torment in hell. Jesus spoke about this as a lake of fire
    which was prepared for the devil and all his angels (demonic spirits)
    (Matthew 25: 41).


    You did know the Atheist ads were a reply to the Christian ads,
    right? On this basis, I think the Atheist response is completely
    appropriate, and refreshingly positive.

    Regarding your idea of banning all religious speech, I don't think it
    is well thought out. If there were a place to start, it would
    involve banning religious speech in government. At least in the US,
    we have strongly theistic statements laced throughout the daily
    operation of our government: the Pledge of Allegiance, the
    Presidential Oath of Office, our currency... all of these make some
    reference to god, or being "under god," or something along those
    lines. I don't disagree with people who seek to eliminate that sort
    of language from the sphere of government. However, I do think that
    banning all religious speech would set a dangerous precedent.

    I hardly think the Atheist message constitutes an attack, but I do
    think that banning the Atheist message is an attack, every bit as
    much as any religious person would feel attacked if they were
    prevented from speaking their message.

    ...all the same, thanks for commenting! I mostly disagree, but I'm
    happy to read your opinions.
  • jumbalo
    there probably isn't a god. you can go back to ice fishing now.
  • anon
    "you can go back to masturbating now."

    - there, fixed it for you.
  • LOL, but we aren't all ice fishers. Some of us are polar bear wrestlers and igloo builders. :p
  • jason
    You have to laugh at Canada for their bigotry. It does seem that Americans are seeing the light a little faster, with former pastors now turning Atheists and making the best seller list while they write about their change.

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1569756775?ie=UTF8&tag=data04-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1569756775
  • jason
    You have to laugh at Canada for their bigotry. I think America is changing their ways a little faster, after all you now have former preachers turned authors really making people think twice.

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1569756775?ie=UTF8&tag=data04-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1569756775
  • Just another Canadian bigot
    Canada's bigotry? Did you read the articles? Have you been to Canada and/or the US?
  • placidwater
    I'm pretty sure "jason" was either:
    a) being sarcastic, or
    b) just being a troll

    And I'm leaning toward the latter option, given (the Globe & Mail article) + (the link to a book on amazon -- which, you might notice, has a link code ...) + (the double-posting of an identical comment).
  • fumf
    You gotta love America, money rules, no matter what. While there was a huge outpouring of negative attention to the ads, they still stayed up! The worst that happened was people bitching about it on the radio, calling on the phone to the advertisers, or buying their own competing ads. Too bad their efforts created a "barbara streisand effect" and made the issue more important from all the attention.

    In fact:
    "bus advertising for Metro asked us this week if we would be so kind as to quantify all our results for them so they can inform would-be clients just how effective bus ads can be!"

    The religious decided to fight back with their own ads... perfect! People talking (advertising), instead of censoring, is a good thing,

    Compare America to Italy (or Iran, where they'd probably jail your ass). I read this article earlier today that is relevant to this post:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/17/atheist-bus-campaign
    "Christian driver refuses to board bus carrying atheist slogan"

    I'm not really sure how I feel about this, should anyone involved with marketing be allowed to protest their job without consequence when they don't believe in the product?

    Obviously Canada's reaction was better than America's, but that's not too surprising given the major conservative population residing in the U.S.

  • The American penchant for greed, while often a bad thing, sometimes works in good and mysterious ways. Almost makes you want to believe in an invisible sky father sometimes, doesn't it? ;)
  • placidwater
    Regarding the article you linked to, it's an interesting situation. This is a British Evangelical Christian bus driver who refused to drive a bus that carried the atheist ad. Personally, I believe that's a strong stance of individualism, and think that's the beauty of humanity -> the right to act in accordance with your ideals. That's the exact same reason why the atheist ads are beautiful, too. It's people standing proudly behind their belief system.

    I mention that he's British, because I'm going to take freedom of speech as an axiom (where freedom of speech is in the US constitution, so, you know, take this with a grain of salt in terms of its applicability). But, if you do invoke Amendment 1, then you end up with the answer "Both the Metro and the Bus Driver are right."

    Here's how it follows: Freedom of speech according to amendment 1 to the US Constitution states: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." Given this, then the atheist ads must be allowed to be displayed, as we can neither favor one religion in particular nor prohibit any religion in particular, and the freedom of speech cannot be abridged. Also given the freedom of speech, it is the bus driver's choice not to drive a bus that promotes a message he is strongly against. Would you wear a sandwich board around town that promoted an antithesis to your fundamental beliefs? It's beautiful that he refuses. That's the right response. The wrong response is to try to suppress the ads altogether.

    However, I will say his reasoning is a little messed up. In the article he is quoted as saying, "I have a lot of passengers who are over 90 or are seriously ill, and to tell them there is no God seems a bit insensitive, when God is probably all they have left in the world." Errr ... God is all they have left in the world? Perhaps if they did nothing within this lifetime except wait for death. Old people who have spent their lives dedicated to great works, great ideas, and maintaining loving relationships with friends and family have a lot left in the world: Pride in the good they have done in the time they were here. Sheesh!
  • anonymous
    I live in the UK... unfortunately we have no 1st amendment, you are right, the censorship is worse than the states. The dude said he'd drive the bus with the ads on it in the article if there were no other buses without the ads, so I guess the situation worked out.
  • farkinga
    I figure the bus driver can choose to not drive a bus with ads they
    don't support... knowing that said driver will have to be fired for
    not doing their job.

    I think it's reasonable to ask the managers for a special arrangement
    to not drive any of those buses, and to accept that they'll drive it
    if there are no other buses.

    ...but all the same, it's totally intolerant, and back in the 100s,
    Christians were volunteering to be eaten by lions in order to
    demonstrate their faith. While that's a totally retarded thing to do
    (IMO) they've descended pretty far from that principled stance, and
    if they're currently unable to remain faithful while driving a bus
    with a certain advertisement, well, then their faith is pretty fucked.
  • fumf
    Actually a few years ago this guy tried to convert a lion to Christianity at a Taiwan zoo! Needless to say, he was bitten and I'm pretty sure the lion was not converted.

    http://www.clickorlando.com/news/3887764/detail.html
  • Reddit
    I found this artical on Reddit
  • Reddit
    article i mean
  • farkinga
    Don't forget to digg it!
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